tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post5391802008982500324..comments2016-08-22T12:00:03.978+01:00Comments on naijablog: A MISGOVERNED GOVERNOR - by Wole SoyinkaJeremy[email protected]Blogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-9660501184145746252008-09-03T12:34:00.000+01:002008-09-03T12:34:00.000+01:00Now, i need education.but what kind and who from, ...Now, i need education.but what kind and who from, i wonder. The comments i have read on Soyinka's doubtlessly patriotic piece suggest something frightening about the future of this nation. We live in a cynical age in which discernmentis being mangled by nitwitism masquerading as generational self discovery. How can any sane, discerning Nigerian delight in the abominable fad of denigrating national icons like SOYINKA? We must recognize that however corrupt and depraved a generation, there would always be isolated bright spots like Soyinka. Further, we have to learn that however tigerish or brilliant this individual bright spot, the rot can never be contained except the fight is sustained by kindred elements.We either choose to sustain the Soyinka-like crusade or eat ourselves away in self disgust and mistaken self belief. <BR/>FM.FM[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-48250410023699493752008-08-25T22:59:00.000+01:002008-08-25T22:59:00.000+01:00A few notes on your interesting response: "Pre-col...A few notes on your interesting response: <BR/><BR/>"Pre-colonial Nigeria is everywhere, saturated within this present."<BR/><BR/>Which Pre-colonial Nigeria? The one transmitted through colonial Britain or the one that my illiterate great-great-grand father left in this diaries and journals? Pre-colonial Nigeria is a palimpsest that everyone, from the portuguese to the british to present day Nigerian historians (and even the darkness-binding pentecostal pastors), has violently inscribed upon. So, just what "true" pre-colonial Nigerian history should we be looking for to lead us out of our troubled condition? My guess is that any usability of our past resides in what we do with it, possibly rewriting and rethinking it. <BR/><BR/>"So much of how England (if not the UK) 'works' is a product of layer upon layer of meaning from the Norman conquest onwards..."<BR/><BR/>The Norman Conquest? That's been too modest. Why not take it as far back as the Greeks and the Roman Republics--traditions that the west essentially appropriated for itself. There'll be as much "grounds" for situating both periods as the origins of what makes England 'work." Nothing wrong with that. Just shows that pasts, origins, histories are disposable. <BR/><BR/>"witness the Benin expo in Chicago."<BR/><BR/>The displayed artifacts are deathly silent, a painful thought to contemplate. You're right on the money in bringing the exhibition up in relation to precolonial Nigerian history. For the simple reason that our past, like those artifacts, having been violently uprooted from their historical context, does not have much to say and will have to make do with what others, like us, inscribe on it. <BR/><BR/>I hope I'm not sounding captious. I just think that people should realize that many of us commenting here are "situated" at a specific moment in our nation's history that places us in relation to our past, our national identity, and our future in ways that radically separate us from our forebears.<BR/><BR/> This might be where the impatience with Soyinka stems from.Lost at the Other End of the Worldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03268790075347094041[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-18643611946704174442008-08-25T18:41:00.000+01:002008-08-25T18:41:00.000+01:00kody, wetin u just talk? say Tony blair step down?...kody, wetin u just talk? say Tony blair step down? step wetin? when obama go dem abuna country, no be tony blair im first go juba for, the man na him dey run the show for obodo uk, no shakingjealoushttp://www.jealous.com/[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-83325996032285540332008-08-25T18:36:00.000+01:002008-08-25T18:36:00.000+01:00naijablog why you dey defend person wey you no 2 s...naijablog why you dey defend person wey you no 2 sabi? <BR/>since when u sabi am? go ask him pickins about am. na oloriburuku man. <BR/>dhis man na fucking rogue onijibiti, he go expose the yoruba religion and come make name for oyinbo world. So what? He accepted to be IBB's chairman of the Road safety commission. The man na bloody rogue. He dey use the yoruba thing make name and im no really like yoruba people. Wetin he dey find for america were he dey teach. make he come spend im dollar for naija. fucking rogue. hippocrite. ole. Me I no go school, so what? I no jisoro any gadem morafucker. awon oloshi hiss! HISS. Shio<BR/><BR/>wait, abi i dey jealous am? wait make i go thinkjealous-mehttp://www.jealous.com/[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-77379971065785028722008-08-25T18:27:00.000+01:002008-08-25T18:27:00.000+01:00I still do not understand this fervour around Bara...I still do not understand this fervour around Barack Obama, I reserve my judgement till (perhaps) he wins and makes a change in international politics that will make our world better. By the way, how do you know Obama doesn't give a damn about Kenya or Africa in general?<BR/><BR/>I still don't subscribe to the need to look to a local role model. I don't care where the source of inspiration comes from - I know my history, my language, my culture, my people and I need only know what will work if I were to apply it to Nigeria.<BR/><BR/>I guess we will agree to disagree. <BR/><BR/>But man, I wonder how Obj, Babangida, and others sleep at night. Where did this obsession with the accumulation of wealth come from? This need to be remembered, worshipped by whatever means necessary with no real regard for the common man? Tony Blair wanted to cling to power for as long as possible-that is obvious, but he had to step down, and so he did. <BR/><BR/>Our leaders will not go till they take all they can, do all they can to ensure they leave their 'boys' in charge so they can still continue to have an influence, and make sure their name is plastered on every street, church, mosque and now library.Kodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00106067984982518231[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-81373586576031576502008-08-25T15:45:00.000+01:002008-08-25T15:45:00.000+01:00@ Lost at the Other End of the World: No flinching...@ Lost at the Other End of the World: No flinching here. Its quite ironic that the author of Death and the King's Horsemen should be asked to fall on his sword along with the Princes...<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, the idea that pre-colonial history has been 'lost' can only be thought by someone whose head is too close to literature and to writing..<BR/><BR/>Pre-colonial Nigeria is everywhere, saturated within this present. One cannot understand how Nigerians behave to any degree without understanding first that the post-colonial moment we are in is a complex of distortions of the pre-colonial. Forms of worship, notions of love, friendship, the way spaces are designed and used etc etc. However, as with all depth-history in any society, the pre-colonial is buried within 'tacit' knowledge - it is a 'communication more ancient than thought' to borrow a phrase from my favourite philosopher, Merleau-Ponty.<BR/><BR/>To give a parallel example: one cannot understand why there is a monarchy today, and one cannot understand the rituals of governance in the UK, without understanding something of the depth of English history, at least allt the way back to early medieval times. So much of how England (if not the UK) 'works' is a product of layer upon layer of meaning from the Norman conquest onwards...<BR/><BR/>Without engaging with the tacit, the pre-cognitive, and how it motivates and structures any society, the understanding of that society will be superficial.<BR/><BR/>Paths back towards understanding the pre-colonial in Nigeria are already underway - witness the Benin expo in Chicago. More of this will come, as for instance, those in the Yoruba diaspora realise in ever increasing numbers that Yoruba culture is too deep and powerful to be cast aside.<BR/><BR/>And so we come back full circle. The Beier collection must be made available to as many as people (that means its as close to free as possible) exactly where and how the Beiers wanted it to be shown...Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07506241936615649754[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-1476482416488579002008-08-25T15:27:00.000+01:002008-08-25T15:27:00.000+01:00Jeremy, The hoo haa about staying connected with h...Jeremy, <BR/><BR/>The hoo haa about staying connected with history is the reason why Nigeria is a gerontocracy. <BR/><BR/>Dont' worry about the problem of losing our past. Precolonial history you're talking about is pretty much lost. As a European, you of all people should know the wonders of rewriting historys. <BR/><BR/>Besides, most of us grew up in societies where elders even those sexually, physically, politically, and economically abusing you should be respected. <BR/><BR/>Trust me I'm in literary research, and I know how so-called "fathers" of Nigerian literature sneer at what guys like like Habila are doing, reluctant to legitimize thier works as valid just because they're young. <BR/><BR/>I agree with Kody man, and Jeremy, if your're flinching at what's been said about Soyinka, just think about it as the Bloomian Anxiety of Influence.Lost at the Other End of the Worldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03268790075347094041[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-63922692714836035442008-08-25T15:12:00.000+01:002008-08-25T15:12:00.000+01:00Please, let us not lose sight of the 'koko' of the...Please, let us not lose sight of the 'koko' of the matter.<BR/><BR/>This man is trying to direct our attention to something very important - something our local press is too lazy to investigate and report about, and which we youth are too non-chalant to pay attention to. How one man (!) wants to appropriate for himself ("with style", as Fela would say)what should be our collective inheritance as a nation.<BR/><BR/>OBJ as a former president left many important things undone, but had the foresight to think about his future legacy while he was still in office. So he coerced people into donating billions of naira to start a presidential library in his name and for his glory. And he wants to add the Beiers' colection to this library. That you, me and others will one day probably have to pay to enter.<BR/><BR/>Our universities are rotting, we don't have any world-class museums, national theatre is in shambles,and our history in many cases has been re-written or plain erased to favor the whims of these ex-generals. Yet OBJ and Oyinlola would claim they are doing this for the good of "Nigerians". Yeah, sure.<BR/><BR/>I am not that big a fan of Soyinka's writing but I appreciate his literary achievements, and his efforts in reminding us of our cultural responsibility. I pray THAT library never gets hold of those materials.MsMak[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-17238646878040449772008-08-25T14:37:00.000+01:002008-08-25T14:37:00.000+01:00Role models that are not local remain abstract and...Role models that are not local remain abstract and ultimately have no traction or rich meaning within the culture.<BR/><BR/>A lot of Nigerians are fooling themselves right now that having a Black American president is going to change the configuration by somehow showing that the black man can rise that far. Its a bit like thinking Margaret Thatcher changed things for British women. Obama hardly gives a damn about Kenya and certainly doesn't seem to care a hoot about West Africa or Nigeria. His only local relevance is melanomic.<BR/><BR/>A role model has to be local because it lends credence to the idea that 'I too can follow that path.' <BR/><BR/>Taking Obama again as our example, his potential power as a role model for Nigerians will always be limited by the fact that young Nigerians cannot become the President of the US as he potentially may do...Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07506241936615649754[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-3580069664408728072008-08-25T14:21:00.000+01:002008-08-25T14:21:00.000+01:00"How will a child learn to walk when the parent ke..."How will a child learn to walk when the parent keeps standing in his way?"<BR/><BR/>AK47 to such a parentAnonymous[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-26912236189139227422008-08-25T14:01:00.000+01:002008-08-25T14:01:00.000+01:001) The fact that we want rid of his generation doe...1) The fact that we want rid of his generation does not in any way correlate to a desire to deny our history. Of course by learning about the past, we can better shape our future, and the preservation of artifacts from our history is crucial. For that Soyinka does deserve praise. <BR/><BR/>The point is we no longer need Soyinka and others to tell us what to think and how to rule. We don't relate to him especially because of his inability to speak plain English anyway!! Plus in my view, he has a smarmy (yes, that is the most appropriate word I have to describe him) tone that can be irritating.<BR/><BR/>2) How can we be sure of what the new generation is capable of when his generation will not just retire and go play golf. Instead they assume the role of godfathers in politics, in intellectual thinking, in business, in life. I don't buy your argument at all. Why do our role models need to be Nigerian? What makes you think we are incapable of recognizing good governance, integrity and good leadership from any source? How will a child learn to walk when the parent keeps standing in his way?Kodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00106067984982518231[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-25881478097506627842008-08-25T12:29:00.000+01:002008-08-25T12:29:00.000+01:00Well guys, its time for you all to step up to the ...Well guys, its time for you all to step up to the plate. I don't think its fair to tar all the grey-beards with the same brush. Soyinka should be commended for carrying on in his role as a public intellectual well into retirement age.<BR/><BR/>The 'out with the old' strategy is however dangerous:<BR/><BR/>1. Nigeria needs to reconnect with all forms of pre-colonial history, as a way of working out what is useful going forwards. Denying history is precisely the wrong direction to go in.<BR/><BR/>2. How can you be sure that the new generation is going to be any less clueless, inept and corrupt as the previous? I'm sorry to say I have seen no strong evidence that there is a demographically-based increase in integrity with the younger generations. In fact, the reverse is the case - in a society where the rich for the most part have not earned their wealth, where role models are thin on the ground, its no wonder the young'uns coming up have been socialised into a world without ethics or common values..Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07506241936615649754[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-8983065060930424132008-08-25T12:12:00.000+01:002008-08-25T12:12:00.000+01:00i have no idea what this is about.Is the Osun gove...i have no idea what this is about.<BR/><BR/>Is the Osun governor trying to steal the archive? <BR/><BR/>is the controversial bit that the library dies not exist yet and thats the trouble.<BR/><BR/>Soyinka doesn't do plain speaking. I would havbe appreciated a summary of the issues in easy to understand english for those of us not endowed with his giant brain.Anonymous[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-14162327124159389092008-08-25T10:57:00.000+01:002008-08-25T10:57:00.000+01:00I just think that without Soyinka et all stepping ...I just think that without Soyinka et all stepping aside, we cannot make any progress in this country. There is only so long you can stretch the kudos that a Nobel prize brings, and his is definitely slack now in my view. <BR/><BR/>From young, we are taught to listen to and learn from our elders but to be honest, I and many others have learned nothing from their generation.<BR/><BR/>Now is the time for less talk and more action. They gave my generation the benefit of education when such a thing still existed in Nigeria. Many of us even got the benefit of studying abroad without losing our identity so its time we all put it to good use.<BR/><BR/>As dramatic as it may sound, we that are now in our thirties and early fourties are the ones who will make or break Nigeria. The generation after me - my nieces and nephews, many don't speak our languages as their first language and care not a jot about Nigeria....and I include even the ones who have not stepped beyond these shores.Kodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00106067984982518231[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-74390247881882722172008-08-25T06:44:00.000+01:002008-08-25T06:44:00.000+01:00@ Waffarian: Lol! I no fit shout. @ Kody: I want t...@ Waffarian: <BR/><BR/>Lol! I no fit shout. <BR/><BR/>@ Kody: I want to say, for the record, that a guy like Soyinka has definitely paid his dues. <BR/><BR/>That been said, we need young blood. People wey know "wassup." People wey go project their voices above the marketplace of confusion that Nigeria is. Soyinka needs to know that the days of blowing grammar is over. <BR/><BR/>If care is not taken the generation of Nigerian kids going to schools where nothing is being taught will not remember him and his crew.Lost at the Other End of the Worldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03268790075347094041[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-91450245797412525992008-08-24T20:47:00.000+01:002008-08-24T20:47:00.000+01:00@ controversial anon: hehehehehhehe, abeg, no kill...@ controversial anon: <BR/><BR/>hehehehehhehe, abeg, no kill with me laughter for here. You mean the days of big belles under agbadas are over? ahhhhh, the days of six packs under suits are here....amen!<BR/><BR/>@lost at the other end of the world:<BR/><BR/>"The obtuseness of the so-called posterity for whom the archive has been chivalrously salvaged is the bigger threat".<BR/><BR/>small small with the grammer na, haba! to dey find dictionary dis kain night na work oh.Waffarianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06039619178621668954[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-58803108845030532032008-08-24T18:13:00.000+01:002008-08-24T18:13:00.000+01:00Controversial Anon, my sentiments exactly. I wish ...Controversial Anon, my sentiments exactly. I wish these people would stop hanging around like potbellied middle aged oafs you see in clubs leering at teenagers. The party is over, you have eaten all you can. Go home for goodness sake.Kodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00106067984982518231[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-56395620656182167262008-08-24T16:50:00.000+01:002008-08-24T16:50:00.000+01:00I am sick of Wole Soyinka and his generation. I ha...I am sick of Wole Soyinka and his generation. I have had it up to my neck with them and their constant trouble. Collectively, they owe us an apology for the sorry country that they will bequeath to us. <BR/><BR/>And while everyday I get up in the morning and strive to make this country better for my children, I wish not to hear anymore from their generation, they make me sick. Soyinka, Babangida, Obasanjo, Fawehinmi, Gowon, Ojukwu, etc die, die please die, so we can move on.<BR/><BR/>:-(Controversial Anonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02933496135518954353[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-3487649530718262462008-08-24T08:31:00.000+01:002008-08-24T08:31:00.000+01:00I'm trying but, honestly, cannot react with the in...I'm trying but, honestly, cannot react with the indignation that Soyinka probably solicits from this spirited article. His generation is the last of a dying era. Ours is a lost generation for whom education is fast turning an obsolete word. <BR/><BR/>From primary to tertiary institutions, everything else--from physical abuse to prostitution--occur except sound and progressive education.<BR/><BR/>I'm happy the archive has been momentarily secured. Still, Oyinlola and his posse are, in reality, only a minute part of the problem. <BR/><BR/>The obtuseness of the so-called posterity for whom the archive has been chivalrously salvaged is the bigger threat.Lost at the Other End of the Worldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03268790075347094041[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-57622597267169530072008-08-24T00:15:00.000+01:002008-08-24T00:15:00.000+01:00Wole Soyinka is a good writter, nice piece of work...Wole Soyinka is a good writter, nice piece of work....Jobs in Nigeriahttp://www.careersnigeria.com/[email protected]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8686769.post-24522496565523637462008-08-23T19:24:00.000+01:002008-08-23T19:24:00.000+01:00Such a real pity and very satirical indeed! If a g...Such a real pity and very satirical indeed! <BR/>If a goat and a wolf share the same cage, the goat may uninstinctively behave like the wolf. But the moment a crisis comes along you will notice that the goat will revert back to its goat-root and begin to behave like a scapegoat.Air beneath my feethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938[email protected]